San Galli - they came from Pavia to get known all in Europe

Pavia, Pomerania, St. Petersburg:

Family Sangalli / San Galli

A Legend this wagon with four horses, that transported the marriage portion of Adele San Galli from St. Petersburg to Berlin. My grand-grandmother came from a family with legendery wealth and, as I know by now, european history and european size.

 Ancestor of "my" San Galli was the sculpturer Carlo Baldassare Innocentio Sangalli, * 1755 in Pavia (Capital of Lombardy, somewhat south of Milano. 1788 as Austrian souldier he took part in the war of bavarien succession, that got well known as "potatoe war". In this conflict both Prussia and Austria had massive problems supplying their armies, the troups of both contries marched to and fro without any considerabel fighting in Bohemia (western part of Czechia) and struggeld with each other to get some potatoes out of the acres.

Of couse, the Austrians remembered more the big pain they got in their stomachs; they called this conflict plum biting ...

You may like it well: the beauty of Pavia >

When I concider this it seems a pretty mystery to me how my brave ancestor was able to fall in Prussian hand between the invasion of the Prussians in Bohemia on 5. Juli and the end of 1788 - but at least he got not killed by a disease, like 1500 soldiers of both sides.

To me it seemes clear Baldassare had not got an impression too bad from his soldiers life, as he decidet to serve as Prussian soldier and after some years established himself as sculptorer in Stettin (Pomerania). Known as part of his work are only a very considerable upper part of an altar and the organ in the church of Kremzow in the region of Pyritz (eastern Pomerania, today only its shell still exists). By the way descendant of him with the name San Galli now live in France near Paris - their ancestors fled from the communists in Russia; I´ve visiteted them there in 1993.

 

Balthasar and his son Carl Sangalli were living in Pomerania, right on the linked map. The little white point on the right downside shows Kremzow, where he organ and upper part of the altar made by Balthasar Sangalli can be admired even today. The map shows Stettin, over it Wollin, even more high Cammin (bosth at the eastern exit of the haff-bay). Just look here.

The right, considerable upper part of the altar from1799 shows "in his middle part painted with oil shows the resurrection of Christ, above the prophet Jonas spit to land by the whale, at the top two angels".

I´m sorry I could get only a picture of the empty outside of the organ, but I think, the wood-work over it should be made by Balthasar Sangalli too - working with wood and "laque" were his speciality.

Balthasar Sangalli, like the name was mostly written at that time, was the first who made the family important. It is not known if a connection to the well known family of artists Sangallo does exist; even more uncertain is their descendence of te last french Valois-queen Margarethe (1553 - 1615), that I think is believed to be true since quite a long time by a number of members of our family.

Our ancestor now served in the Prussian army in the region of the Neumark - he believed that his chef von Möllendorf treated him exelently well, but got really ill in 1784 and 1785 left the prussian army. He wrote: "My decision was made, to stay in Prussia and not to return to Pavia, and for this reason I established my self here." Shortly after that he must have married and had two sons in 1799, one 11 years old. After the dead of his wife he married once more.

It is a shame only one of the certainly numerous works of him are known today ("very considerable" upper part of an altar and organ in Kremzow; do exist, the organ damaged.) Karl Rittershausen, autor of the newspaper "Unser Pommerland" wrote 7. 11. 1933 to San Galli´s descandant lady v. Bismarck:

 
 "As I had begun to get somewhat interested into the scupturer Sangalli I have collected some facts I found in a big collection of documents about the monument of Frederic the great in Stettin. It showed that Sangalli was consulted often when the monument was to be repaired. I wrote together quite a lot of facts that could give us a clearer view on his live." After first all Pomerania east of the Oder, then Stettin too was robbed away its not sure if we can still get to these informations.

His son Johann Carl Carl (Karl) as young as 19 years joined the hussars- regiment and Freicorps von Schill and in it fought since 1806 only half legally before Prussia entered into the wars af liberation against Napoleon. Possibly he even participated in the fights at Kol- berg, that the nazis made subject of a film as their reich fadet.

later Karl Sangalli fought as West Prussian Ulan (lance rider) >

 

Karl Sangally surely fought many dangerous fights. After the Freicorpswas dismissed 1807 he served "treu und rechtschaffen" (Brigadier v. Massenbach) as non commissioned officer in the West- prussian Ulanenregiment (lance riders), but soon had to take his leave because of a disease. Shortly before he left the Prussian army his former guerilla-boss v. Schill had been killed in may in Stargard. Carl Sangalli gets royal taxofficer instead, and later controller of border in Stettin, Wollin and Kammin. He is a tallgrown, taciturn and lean man with o roman looking nose, black eyes and hair. He made his children do sports and tought them riding.

His wife Henriette from the old pommeranien family Lübcke was hardworking, strict to herself and others and had consequent principles won by the experience of her life. Their sons learned to ride, to fence and gymnastics. When his son Franz was 17 Karl San Galli died. Franz settled in St. Petersburg and there after some years built up an enterprise of industry that finally sold its products to the whole world. Even during he still built up his enterprise to support himself he let follow his brother Robert, my grand-grand-grandfather, who when he was an old man was put to misery by the russian revolution.

Lookin back to is youth Franz sayed: "Even now I can not understand how young people can keep back themselves when their blood begins to boil and every moment they got the possibility to quiten their thirst of love. My advise: Keep clean and abstinent if its possible; but you may wish it but your body´s too week, and if you had to give up: enjoy and be thankfull, but you must know: respice finem!" (Think of the consequences too.) Like this the owner of a very big factory withe excellent realations to the monarch.

 

 The St. Petersburg factory runner Franz Karlowitsch San Galli (left) made his brother Robert (right) follow him - the doughter of his brother and the spouse of him, Sophie, later married Ernst Gruner, who was among the founders and finally president of the Versicherungsaufsichtsamt (supervision of securances) in Berlin und became my grand-grandmother like this.

More to her here (in German).

   

On the left Franz San Galli hunting, centrally "his wife", (I do hope that of Franz and not that of Robert), to the picture on the right side I red Robert San Galli - suddenly without hair and in a different position, if its true I think with his wife (watch her portrait above)

 

Franz San Galli had settled down with family and factory in the Ligovka - quarter near the center of St. Petersburg. Here his estate (Ligovsky) Prospekt 62. At the left the house to live im next to the park, at the right side the former office building.

These images show parts of the estate of my grand-grand-granduncle Franz Karl, later Karlowitsch San Galli, son of an officer in the wars of liberation, who 19 years old got enga- ged 1843 by a merchand in St. Peterburg and emigrated there. After some time there he changed into the enterprise of an wellknown industrial and there made his first expeirienses with the bussisness of metals. Nine years after his emigration to Saint Petersburg he married and foundet his own enterprise. First he built mostly metal covers for fireplaces and bathtubs.

During the first years in spite of all efforts he didn´t make much money; but even now he let his yougest brother Robert San Galli follow him (the doughter of that brother got my grand-grandmother, more (in German) here).

Only since he had sold the first low pressure water heating of russia to the Tzar and was recommmendet by the imperial administration his enterprise grew and got bigger and bigger; he built bridges, sold more to the emperial court and declaired: "I ´m a mill owner in Russia, known on the whole empire, and if they call the best names, my name is spoken too." With him I´m related by my grand-grand-grandfather, youngest brother of Franz - he died no earlier than 1920 after the Revolution, in exteme misery.

Franz had let come three of his brothers, two of them went to america and married there, ome of them died there too, one in Coburg. Only my ancestor Robert San Galli stayed and helped for the rest of his life, mostly at economic problems. More then that, he worked in the management of other big firms too, like several insurances.

Off cause there were real differences in the lives of the brothers. While Franz got a politician too since 1872 and until the abolician of the voting in three income classes in Russia became a very successfull leader of a political party, Robert as I understood took over work also in other enterprises and as an epert for the Russian state only in the 90s of the 19th century.

 

The dwelling-house seen from the park.

At the back an iron door and the Ligovskij  (Ligovsky) Prospekt.

 
     Obviously the backside of the San Galli estate too.

Like we all know, money doesn´t smell too bad. Franz San Gallis doughter Maria 1901 married Ludolf v. Boetticher (German nobility); by her I´m related to some members of the family v. Bismarck. Also todays inhabitants of St. Petersburg are proud of him, and one of them wrote into the web:

After ca. 500 m from the Moscow trainstaition along the Ligovskij Prospekt in direction of Obvodnyj (Obvodny) chanel you´ll reach an oppulent neo-renaissance-palazzo on the left of the street, the palais San Galli. On the right of it you find the garden San Galli (in russian language Sad San Galli, in careless local slang its name became changed to Sengalievskij Sad hard to understand. Today this garden is a public park. It has a bad reputation as the most evil meeting place of the St. Petersburg drug addicted. That is simply like it is called often by the people of St. Petersburg.

Franz San Galli had become wollknown for the production of fences, balconys and doors with a artisticly shape. He alsoproduced metal parts for bridges, docks of the marine und pumps for the supply of St. Petersburg. The area is known as Ligovka and a bit similar with Berlin Kreuzberg or Soho. By the turn from 19. to 20. century it was known for its firm reputation of bitter poverty, drinking and selling stolen goods there. Not only at night it was quite dangerous. Franz San Galli and his factory were a big exeption. "Ligovskaya blyad" (Ligovka-whore) got a firm term in Russian. And "What, cou´re comin from Ligovka?" means aproximately: "But you´re doing well?"

On the other side it is easy from Ligovka with its central position to reach the winter palace as well as Moscow or Paris, because train stations and the international airport of St. Petersburgs are not too far from here.

In the course of his career Franz San Galli had won exelent relations to the family of the tsar. I´ve heard that my grandfather Otto Gruner (son of Adele * San Galli) played with the russian princes too when during hollidays as usual he had come from Berlin to visit his relatives in St. Petersburg.

Source of some of the pictures and informations here was http://www.photofora.com/eugene/ligovka/sangalli/pages/sangalli.htm . Here and on http://sangalli.photofora.com/andreasgruner.htm I read that my own grand-grand-grandfather was a man of some importance too: Robert San Galli from St. Petersburg was an imperial state councilor and an active businessman seating on different corporate boards and managing several important companies. His business interests ranged from engines to insurance and from building supplies to the manufacture of confectionary products.

Franz San Galli told to his doughter about him: "My faithfull brother has moved the burdons of bussiness with me all of his live and will leave no more for his descendents than you have right at this moment."

Very soon you will be able to read much more in a russian book (translated): Franz San Galli, the man and his enterprise, by Vitalij Smyschljajew, St. Petersburg, smishlyaev@mail.ru . He understands Russian and German.

At least to the death of my grandfather Otto Gruner 1932 the families Gruner and San Galli had good contact with each other. This got only clear to me after I head begun with my researching. Adele and her children regularily visited St. Petersburg. I was told that my grandfather there played with the children of the Czar.

On the picture right you see Adele with her brother Otto San Galli, his wife and children. I beliefe in front Irene, whom 1993 I still met in Paris - naturally an old lady by that time - and that told me about her relatives of the family Gruner. I will report you next about that.

Behind her her doughter Elsa Gruner.

 

My grandfather Otto Gruner

 

visiting the homeland of his mother, I think aproximately 1907.

Now I get to what Irene Fardet (the child in the middle in the picure above) wrote to me 1992 from Paris:

I used to see my aunt Adele (Gruner, * San Galli) during holidays in Russia; she was married with a German (Didn´t he be a minister of state? … I believe our waiting girls called him like that; they wanted to say that he was somebody very important [Indeed my grand-grandfather Ernst Gruner was an important person, having participated founding and as president of the German office for the supervision of insecurances]. By 1930 she visited us in Paris. I believe, that the family Gruner was very rich.

Elsa, my cousin (doughter of Adele and Otto Gruner) allways was in St. Petersburg during hollidays. A bautyfull young girl who was not interested in us little children. Later for a long time she lived together with a very rich man, without being married. You couldn´t do thinks like that in those days! She had to marry … I don´t know no more .

The beloved Erich Gruner

Otto (Gruner), Your (my) grandfather; godchild of my father Otto San Galli. I dont remember him no more. About 1924 my father visited the family Gruner in Berlin. That plain crash really was a drama! Not only, because he died (1932) so young, already a wellknown lawyer, but also he was about to get divorced by your grandmother, to marry the young gouvernante. The young, seduced? girl… that drama did shock us.

Erich, the youngest son of Adele (and Ernst Gruner), who even played with us! My loved sister and me adored him. He sent us post cards. He was killed right at the beginning of war 1914 at the russian front. We little girls mourned our cousin and kept his postcards that got finally totally wrinkled for a long time.

Ernie? Im no more sure about his first name, probably Ernst. He came to us to Paris. Spoke long evenings with my mother in German language about the past (she had come 1925). Me young girl visited the castle of Versailles with him.

This is the result of my genealogical work on my Sangalli / San Galli ancestors by now translated in English. It was me who put all this thogether. I´ve searched in the family and got documents from people who had same ancestors 150 years ago. I´ve been in contact with people from from Poland, Russia, France, Italy, and even the USA. Surely I was in Pavia.

Anybody knows more? This is what I´ve put together from several sources. Of course my English is not perfect. The German original of this site may be more exact. You want to help? Especially find out more in Pavia or Szczecin? Please contact gruner@a-gr.net . Thank you.

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San Galli - they came from Pavia to get known all in Europe

Pavia, Pomerania, St. Petersburg:

Family Sangalli / San Galli

A Legend this wagon with four horses, that transported the marriage portion of Adele San Galli from St. Petersburg to Berlin. My grand-grandmother came from a family with legendery wealth and, as I know by now, european history and european size.

 Ancestor of "my" San Galli was the sculpturer Carlo Baldassare Innocentio Sangalli, * 1755 in Pavia (Capital of Lombardy, somewhat south of Milano. 1788 as Austrian souldier he took part in the war of bavarien succession, that got well known as "potatoe war". In this conflict both Prussia and Austria had massive problems supplying their armies, the troups of both contries marched to and fro without any considerabel fighting in Bohemia (western part of Czechia) and struggeld with each other to get some potatoes out of the acres.

Of couse, the Austrians remembered more the big pain they got in their stomachs; they called this conflict plum biting ...

You may like it well: the beauty of Pavia >

When I concider this it seems a pretty mystery to me how my brave ancestor was able to fall in Prussian hand between the invasion of the Prussians in Bohemia on 5. Juli and the end of 1788 - but at least he got not killed by a disease, like 1500 soldiers of both sides.

To me it seemes clear Baldassare had not got an impression too bad from his soldiers life, as he decidet to serve as Prussian soldier and after some years established himself as sculptorer in Stettin (Pomerania). Known as part of his work are only a very considerable upper part of an altar and the organ in the church of Kremzow in the region of Pyritz (eastern Pomerania, today only its shell still exists). By the way descendant of him with the name San Galli now live in France near Paris - their ancestors fled from the communists in Russia; I´ve visiteted them there in 1993.

 

Balthasar and his son Carl Sangalli were living in Pomerania, right on the linked map. The little white point on the right downside shows Kremzow, where he organ and upper part of the altar made by Balthasar Sangalli can be admired even today. The map shows Stettin, over it Wollin, even more high Cammin (bosth at the eastern exit of the haff-bay). Just look here.

The right, considerable upper part of the altar from1799 shows "in his middle part painted with oil shows the resurrection of Christ, above the prophet Jonas spit to land by the whale, at the top two angels".

I´m sorry I could get only a picture of the empty outside of the organ, but I think, the wood-work over it should be made by Balthasar Sangalli too - working with wood and "laque" were his speciality.

Balthasar Sangalli, like the name was mostly written at that time, was the first who made the family important. It is not known if a connection to the well known family of artists Sangallo does exist; even more uncertain is their descendence of te last french Valois-queen Margarethe (1553 - 1615), that I think is believed to be true since quite a long time by a number of members of our family.

Our ancestor now served in the Prussian army in the region of the Neumark - he believed that his chef von Möllendorf treated him exelently well, but got really ill in 1784 and 1785 left the prussian army. He wrote: "My decision was made, to stay in Prussia and not to return to Pavia, and for this reason I established my self here." Shortly after that he must have married and had two sons in 1799, one 11 years old. After the dead of his wife he married once more.

It is a shame only one of the certainly numerous works of him are known today ("very considerable" upper part of an altar and organ in Kremzow; do exist, the organ damaged.) Karl Rittershausen, autor of the newspaper "Unser Pommerland" wrote 7. 11. 1933 to San Galli´s descandant lady v. Bismarck:

 
 "As I had begun to get somewhat interested into the scupturer Sangalli I have collected some facts I found in a big collection of documents about the monument of Frederic the great in Stettin. It showed that Sangalli was consulted often when the monument was to be repaired. I wrote together quite a lot of facts that could give us a clearer view on his live." After first all Pomerania east of the Oder, then Stettin too was robbed away its not sure if we can still get to these informations.

His son Johann Carl Carl (Karl) as young as 19 years joined the hussars- regiment and Freicorps von Schill and in it fought since 1806 only half legally before Prussia entered into the wars af liberation against Napoleon. Possibly he even participated in the fights at Kol- berg, that the nazis made subject of a film as their reich fadet.

later Karl Sangalli fought as West Prussian Ulan (lance rider) >

 

Karl Sangally surely fought many dangerous fights. After the Freicorpswas dismissed 1807 he served "treu und rechtschaffen" (Brigadier v. Massenbach) as non commissioned officer in the West- prussian Ulanenregiment (lance riders), but soon had to take his leave because of a disease. Shortly before he left the Prussian army his former guerilla-boss v. Schill had been killed in may in Stargard. Carl Sangalli gets royal taxofficer instead, and later controller of border in Stettin, Wollin and Kammin. He is a tallgrown, taciturn and lean man with o roman looking nose, black eyes and hair. He made his children do sports and tought them riding.

His wife Henriette from the old pommeranien family Lübcke was hardworking, strict to herself and others and had consequent principles won by the experience of her life. Their sons learned to ride, to fence and gymnastics. When his son Franz was 17 Karl San Galli died. Franz settled in St. Petersburg and there after some years built up an enterprise of industry that finally sold its products to the whole world. Even during he still built up his enterprise to support himself he let follow his brother Robert, my grand-grand-grandfather, who when he was an old man was put to misery by the russian revolution.

Lookin back to is youth Franz sayed: "Even now I can not understand how young people can keep back themselves when their blood begins to boil and every moment they got the possibility to quiten their thirst of love. My advise: Keep clean and abstinent if its possible; but you may wish it but your body´s too week, and if you had to give up: enjoy and be thankfull, but you must know: respice finem!" (Think of the consequences too.) Like this the owner of a very big factory withe excellent realations to the monarch.

 

 The St. Petersburg factory runner Franz Karlowitsch San Galli (left) made his brother Robert (right) follow him - the doughter of his brother and the spouse of him, Sophie, later married Ernst Gruner, who was among the founders and finally president of the Versicherungsaufsichtsamt (supervision of securances) in Berlin und became my grand-grandmother like this.

More to her here (in German).

   

On the left Franz San Galli hunting, centrally "his wife", (I do hope that of Franz and not that of Robert), to the picture on the right side I red Robert San Galli - suddenly without hair and in a different position, if its true I think with his wife (watch her portrait above)

 

Franz San Galli had settled down with family and factory in the Ligovka - quarter near the center of St. Petersburg. Here his estate (Ligovsky) Prospekt 62. At the left the house to live im next to the park, at the right side the former office building.

These images show parts of the estate of my grand-grand-granduncle Franz Karl, later Karlowitsch San Galli, son of an officer in the wars of liberation, who 19 years old got enga- ged 1843 by a merchand in St. Peterburg and emigrated there. After some time there he changed into the enterprise of an wellknown industrial and there made his first expeirienses with the bussisness of metals. Nine years after his emigration to Saint Petersburg he married and foundet his own enterprise. First he built mostly metal covers for fireplaces and bathtubs.

During the first years in spite of all efforts he didn´t make much money; but even now he let his yougest brother Robert San Galli follow him (the doughter of that brother got my grand-grandmother, more (in German) here).

Only since he had sold the first low pressure water heating of russia to the Tzar and was recommmendet by the imperial administration his enterprise grew and got bigger and bigger; he built bridges, sold more to the emperial court and declaired: "I ´m a mill owner in Russia, known on the whole empire, and if they call the best names, my name is spoken too." With him I´m related by my grand-grand-grandfather, youngest brother of Franz - he died no earlier than 1920 after the Revolution, in exteme misery.

Franz had let come three of his brothers, two of them went to america and married there, ome of them died there too, one in Coburg. Only my ancestor Robert San Galli stayed and helped for the rest of his life, mostly at economic problems. More then that, he worked in the management of other big firms too, like several insurances.

Off cause there were real differences in the lives of the brothers. While Franz got a politician too since 1872 and until the abolician of the voting in three income classes in Russia became a very successfull leader of a political party, Robert as I understood took over work also in other enterprises and as an epert for the Russian state only in the 90s of the 19th century.

 

The dwelling-house seen from the park.

At the back an iron door and the Ligovskij  (Ligovsky) Prospekt.

 
     Obviously the backside of the San Galli estate too.

Like we all know, money doesn´t smell too bad. Franz San Gallis doughter Maria 1901 married Ludolf v. Boetticher (German nobility); by her I´m related to some members of the family v. Bismarck. Also todays inhabitants of St. Petersburg are proud of him, and one of them wrote into the web:

After ca. 500 m from the Moscow trainstaition along the Ligovskij Prospekt in direction of Obvodnyj (Obvodny) chanel you´ll reach an oppulent neo-renaissance-palazzo on the left of the street, the palais San Galli. On the right of it you find the garden San Galli (in russian language Sad San Galli, in careless local slang its name became changed to Sengalievskij Sad hard to understand. Today this garden is a public park. It has a bad reputation as the most evil meeting place of the St. Petersburg drug addicted. That is simply like it is called often by the people of St. Petersburg.

Franz San Galli had become wollknown for the production of fences, balconys and doors with a artisticly shape. He alsoproduced metal parts for bridges, docks of the marine und pumps for the supply of St. Petersburg. The area is known as Ligovka and a bit similar with Berlin Kreuzberg or Soho. By the turn from 19. to 20. century it was known for its firm reputation of bitter poverty, drinking and selling stolen goods there. Not only at night it was quite dangerous. Franz San Galli and his factory were a big exeption. "Ligovskaya blyad" (Ligovka-whore) got a firm term in Russian. And "What, cou´re comin from Ligovka?" means aproximately: "But you´re doing well?"

On the other side it is easy from Ligovka with its central position to reach the winter palace as well as Moscow or Paris, because train stations and the international airport of St. Petersburgs are not too far from here.

In the course of his career Franz San Galli had won exelent relations to the family of the tsar. I´ve heard that my grandfather Otto Gruner (son of Adele * San Galli) played with the russian princes too when during hollidays as usual he had come from Berlin to visit his relatives in St. Petersburg.

Source of some of the pictures and informations here was http://www.photofora.com/eugene/ligovka/sangalli/pages/sangalli.htm . Here and on http://sangalli.photofora.com/andreasgruner.htm I read that my own grand-grand-grandfather was a man of some importance too: Robert San Galli from St. Petersburg was an imperial state councilor and an active businessman seating on different corporate boards and managing several important companies. His business interests ranged from engines to insurance and from building supplies to the manufacture of confectionary products.

Franz San Galli told to his doughter about him: "My faithfull brother has moved the burdons of bussiness with me all of his live and will leave no more for his descendents than you have right at this moment."

Very soon you will be able to read much more in a russian book (translated): Franz San Galli, the man and his enterprise, by Vitalij Smyschljajew, St. Petersburg, smishlyaev@mail.ru . He understands Russian and German.

At least to the death of my grandfather Otto Gruner 1932 the families Gruner and San Galli had good contact with each other. This got only clear to me after I head begun with my researching. Adele and her children regularily visited St. Petersburg. I was told that my grandfather there played with the children of the Czar.

On the picture right you see Adele with her brother Otto San Galli, his wife and children. I beliefe in front Irene, whom 1993 I still met in Paris - naturally an old lady by that time - and that told me about her relatives of the family Gruner. I will report you next about that.

Behind her her doughter Elsa Gruner.

 

My grandfather Otto Gruner

 

visiting the homeland of his mother, I think aproximately 1907.

Now I get to what Irene Fardet (the child in the middle in the picure above) wrote to me 1992 from Paris:

I used to see my aunt Adele (Gruner, * San Galli) during holidays in Russia; she was married with a German (Didn´t he be a minister of state? … I believe our waiting girls called him like that; they wanted to say that he was somebody very important [Indeed my grand-grandfather Ernst Gruner was an important person, having participated founding and as president of the German office for the supervision of insecurances]. By 1930 she visited us in Paris. I believe, that the family Gruner was very rich.

Elsa, my cousin (doughter of Adele and Otto Gruner) allways was in St. Petersburg during hollidays. A bautyfull young girl who was not interested in us little children. Later for a long time she lived together with a very rich man, without being married. You couldn´t do thinks like that in those days! She had to marry … I don´t know no more .

The beloved Erich Gruner

Otto (Gruner), Your (my) grandfather; godchild of my father Otto San Galli. I dont remember him no more. About 1924 my father visited the family Gruner in Berlin. That plain crash really was a drama! Not only, because he died (1932) so young, already a wellknown lawyer, but also he was about to get divorced by your grandmother, to marry the young gouvernante. The young, seduced? girl… that drama did shock us.

Erich, the youngest son of Adele (and Ernst Gruner), who even played with us! My loved sister and me adored him. He sent us post cards. He was killed right at the beginning of war 1914 at the russian front. We little girls mourned our cousin and kept his postcards that got finally totally wrinkled for a long time.

Ernie? Im no more sure about his first name, probably Ernst. He came to us to Paris. Spoke long evenings with my mother in German language about the past (she had come 1925). Me young girl visited the castle of Versailles with him.

This is the result of my genealogical work on my Sangalli / San Galli ancestors by now translated in English. It was me who put all this thogether. I´ve searched in the family and got documents from people who had same ancestors 150 years ago. I´ve been in contact with people from from Poland, Russia, France, Italy, and even the USA. Surely I was in Pavia.

Anybody knows more? This is what I´ve put together from several sources. Of course my English is not perfect. The German original of this site may be more exact. You want to help? Especially find out more in Pavia or Szczecin? Please contact gruner@a-gr.net . Thank you.